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--  作者:ww
--  发布时间:11/3/2006 10:01:29 AM
--  [Z] 完整叙述D3事件
9月3日,口袋论坛上登出Dirty Three将来上海演出的消息。宣传方是口袋,售票方是口袋,海报上也写着“Dirty Three associated with Pocket Music”,上面清楚写有“演出时间:约180分钟”的字样,并注明 7:00进场 7:30演出。简单推算也就是演出应该在10月26日晚10:30左右结束。

宣传海报上同样写有票价:“【A区】预售200 RMB, 现场250 RMB【B区】预售150 RMB, 现场200 RMB。”即日开始预售。9月11日下午4点半,我将150元钱汇到了口袋的工商银行帐户,预订了一张B区的票。还有众多观众也是在此期间通过汇款方式尽 早地将门票费用汇入了口袋的帐户。而直到最后演出发生问题后才得知,从开始宣传到演出前三天,即10月23日之前,这场演出还没有得到批文。
10月23日,口袋得知云峰剧场已经在26日晚8:30已安排了杂技表演,但口袋并未通知所有已预订门票的观众。此时口袋原本可以与剧场方协商妥善处理或 是寻找新的场地以保证演出的时间与完整性,但没有做到,仅仅只是在各论坛通知进场与演出时间均提前一小时,进场由7点改为6点,6:30为暖场乐队“再见 奈央”表演,而并未说明真实情况。从其通知上看,提前进场是由于加入了暖场乐队的表演,可认为其有误导观众的嫌疑。

10月26日晚7点,口袋在知道演出必须在8点结束的情况下依然在云峰剧场门口出售现场票,对已定票的观众依然未告知真实情况。在即使演出6点开始8点结 束也已与预告的“约180分钟”严重不符缩水1/3的情况下,主办方还安排了暖场乐队的表演,导致了Dirty Three的演出时间仅剩一个小时,缩水程度高达2/3。

并且,从观众入场,到8点演出发生变故,即乐队还在台上演出而剧场已经亮灯拉幕之前,无人知晓此次演出还有一个台湾主办人James的存在。所有人都认为,这场演出的主办方是口袋音乐。

晚上8点,演出中断,观众在相信台湾主办人James承诺的10点会继续演出后暂时离席。从这时起,就无人再在云峰剧场见到过口袋,即崔忠鹏先生。10 点,当众多观众重返云峰剧场时,看不见James,也找不到口袋,只有育音堂的负责人在散发名片,请大家前去育音堂看张悬与Dirty Three的后续演出,一部分观众去了,更多的是怀着失望的情绪就此回家了。有人于10点07分拨打110,随后也离开,剩下的观众在云峰剧场坚持到当晚 12点多。在110的干预下,最终有120人从James手中得到了全额退票。

事发后当晚,我曾两次与口袋电话联系。第一个电话是向他索取宣传中提到的免费CD。口袋称CD在某某人手上,说那人正忙着办理退票事宜。我说我先去吃饭, 一会10点再联系。第二个电话,是将近10点时,我们回到云峰,发现杂技没有收场的意思。育音堂太远,考虑到第二天还要上班,我再次联系口袋,表示希望退 票。口袋说:不是全都要退吧?随后电话跳掉。待我回到家后,口袋发来消息说之前手机没电。并说钱已经全部交给主办方。我当即短消息表示:这个损失不应当由 观众承担。并且如果是不能退票,第一个电话做何解?口袋表示第二天给我答复。第二天在MSN上口袋表示“票肯定不能退”。

第二天,口袋在自己的口袋论坛上发出公告,但并未像当时宣传、卖票时那样去各大音乐论坛发公告。整个公告毫无诚意,只表现出:
1、此事与口袋无关
2、票肯定不能退

面对现代变奏上未得到退票也未去育音堂看后续演出的社员的质疑,口袋采取的态度除了回避还是回避。口袋对在口袋论坛上众消费者的质疑采取的措施为:回避—>删贴—>封ID—>删ID

介于口袋的恶劣态度,我发起了联名投诉,口袋在我投诉后曾电话与我联系,答应对在此次演出中利益受损的观众公开道歉并拿出一个令人信服的,行之有效的补偿 方案。而挂断电话后其态度又转变为回避和极力推脱责任,拒不退票。原本我与众联名投诉的朋友认为,一旦口袋能够1)态度诚恳地对关于在D3演出前3天即知 时间缩短而未于演出前及时告知一事道歉;2)对于D3上海演出后对各乐迷观众的质疑不理不问的态度道歉;3)全额退票,我们可以撤消投诉,而口袋至今仍是 一副“你去告吧,我不怕”的样子,我们决定将投诉到底,目前北京消协登记受理,事情正在审查核实。

只要口袋能够及时道歉并全额退票,投诉依然可以撤消,否则,我们将进一步向其他有关部门投诉,请有关部门立案审查。

目前已有媒体关注报道此事,我说的不是原先的新闻晨报和那篇国外的报道。
同时上海文化局也已介入调查,不过与我发起的联名投诉无关。
联名投诉到的是北京消协,下周协商。
我们的要求很简单:
1、口袋应对关于在D3演出前3天即知时间缩短而未于演出前及时告知一事道歉。
2、口袋应对于D3上海演出后对各乐迷观众的质疑不理不问的态度道歉。
3、口袋应无条件地接受当天观众凭票根全额退票。

原文:http://rem.online.tj.cn/cgi-bin/topic_show.cgi?id=38054&pg=1&age=30&bpg=1#347314

--  作者:居海
--  发布时间:11/3/2006 10:19:10 AM
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雜口袋的口碑越來越差。。。


--  作者:卖笑国大使
--  发布时间:11/3/2006 12:16:02 PM
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当天我也在云丰剧院的现场,本来口袋说是7点半开场,后来临时改成了6点半,如果不是朋友告知,我估计我只能看半个多小时的演出,而我敢肯定有很多买了票的朋友依然以为是7点半开场。

具体情况妄为已经说得很清楚了。我就住在静安寺旁边,被放鸽子之后走回家问题不大,但是,有很多朋友是专门从外地赶来看这场演出的,他们的损失怎么计算?可耻可恨。我们都是来听音乐的,出了事之后其实并不想死缠烂打坏了心情,但是那个台湾人在现场的态度确实让人不能接受,更不要说口袋后来的做法。

口袋的口碑在我的朋友之间一直很差,说他们只是一帮商人。其实我认为独立音乐需要培养自己的商人,有了商人,有人赚钱,才能有投入,然后一步步的发展,但是打着爱音乐的名号做奸商,是非常无耻的。我很难想象一个号称自己热爱音乐的组织能这样的没有良心。

道歉。退票。


--  作者:死水杉
--  发布时间:11/3/2006 11:18:48 PM
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高高兴兴看演出

扫扫兴兴回家去


--  作者:ww
--  发布时间:11/4/2006 12:10:32 AM
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玩儿大啦玩儿大啦!!!!!

http://yichantiren.yculblog.com/

不爽的同学去顶一下吧


--  作者:UN
--  发布时间:11/4/2006 1:04:57 AM
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果然是一阐提人写的- -b

到处都看见了,搞大了搞大了

同情下本来欢欢喜喜的卖笑妹妹


--  作者:居海
--  发布时间:11/4/2006 10:24:57 AM
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Dirty Three: Showdown in Shanghai!

Trio\'s performance incites riot; "The audience was going crazy." -- Warren Ellis

Dirty Three\'s previously reported tour of Asia is over now, but it was an eventful one for the instrumental chamber rock trio. As originally reported in Shanghaiist, the band\'s very first date-- at Shanghai\'s Yun Feng Theatre on October 26-- erupted into chaos.

Before they even got to China, the country\'s government "decided to cancel our performance permit because they thought we were a pornographic act due to our name. They asked that we change it to Dirt Three," wrote violinist Warren Ellis to Pitchfork in a detailed e-mail account of the event.

With the help of Australian trade organization Austrade and tour manager James Chen, the band were able to "seal the green light three days before the show, on the grounds that we were an important Australian cultural act and that we had no lyrics, so we couldn\'t be corruptive."

So far so good, but here\'s where things get crazy. Yun Feng Theatre, which is owned by the People\'s Liberation Army, "decided to move the show forward an hour" in order to accommodate an acrobatic performance "for local dignities and officials. James was told to take the offer or cancel the show," Ellis continued.

"The government has been closing down lots of venues and making it difficult for bands to play, and this decision to change the show was seen by the audience as another attempt by the government to curb their self-expression."

About that audience: many of them were students, and there were about 600 of them in attendance. So when-- as a result of all this bureaucracy and confusion-- "the theatre decided to light the house at 8 o\'clock instead of 8:30 [and] then close the curtains, the audience stormed the stage.

"It was in the middle of \'Sue\'s Last Ride\'. I had my back to the crowd. When I turned, I noticed some people climbing the curtains trying to pull them open. The audience was going crazy. Probably one of the most exciting moments I have ever had onstage. You could hear them screaming over the music, and we were playing very loud. In the wings, the acrobats were dancing and watching. Then a guy ran and jumped on me.

"By this stage, I had no idea what was happening, but our tour manager was white and shaking, holding people and the curtains back, assisted by others. There were people everywhere: crowd, security, and acrobats. It was fantastic. When we stopped, the place exploded, and James [Chen] grabbed me and said, \'Get the fuck out. The police are coming, and you may be arrested.\' I asked why, and he said he couldn\'t explain. We packed and were shielded into a waiting van. The audience was chanting \'Dirty Three,\' and the theatre staff shook our hands. Confusing? You bet.

"We were back in the hotel for half an hour, and my friend, guitar maker James Trussart, was at the show [and] called me and said all hell had broken loose, the people wouldn\'t leave and were throwing things at the officials and that it was announced we would do another show. Jim [White, drummer] walked back to the venue to see what was happening. He spoke to some people but didn\'t come back with any clearer picture.

"We played a second show that night in another venue. James Chen spent the whole night refunding people\'s money. I didn\'t know the price of the tickets. We do get involved in that sort of detail but really had no idea what was the norm in China, and you hope that your people represent you well. Dirty Three were not being paid for the tour, only costs and a token fee. [Chen] returned all the money he had. Then the theatre director felt sorry and gave him some to refund. Then a policeman gave him some from his pocket. I think they just wanted everyone to leave. He refunded 300 people and expected to refund the other 300 people over the following days."

Fortunately for the band, said Ellis, "the rest of the dates were fine, maybe a little less exciting. We had a fantastic time and thank the people of China and Taiwan. A lot of these places don\'t have the infrastructure or the experience dealing with this sort of thing, and it\'s really part of the attraction of touring there: you never know what is going to happen."

We\'re still trying to wrap our heads around this ridiculous situation (an austere, instrumental rock trio inciting a riot?!), but it is pretty great that the theatre staff shook the band\'s hands on their way out. There is at least one thing of which we\'re fairly certain: no one in the audience noticed that "in the excitement, we missed that last change in \'Sue\'s Last Ride\'."

pitchforkmedia.com

这下全世界都知道啦。。。。整大!


--  作者:arie
--  发布时间:11/4/2006 1:01:10 PM
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上海政府官员真伟大!


--  作者:左小娃娃
--  发布时间:11/4/2006 3:06:01 PM
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天呐…………真寒心